Rispondo alle questioni che riguardano unicamente la serie TV:
1) l'episodio che sta scrivendo Martin (l'otto) riguarda il periodo seguente alla morte di Robert, per cui i vari disordini a corte che portano alla cattura di Eddard e "some cool stuff" riguardo alla barriera. A che cosa pensate si possa riferire?
Ha aggiunto anche la fuga di Arya. Riguardo alla Barriera non ricordo molto bene cosa succede di importante in quel periodo, non mi pare avvenga nulla di così fondamentale.
E qui io rimango cmq dubbioso, perchè l'HBO è sempre stata particolarmente cruda e immorale, e a me sta cosa non riesce ad andare giù... cioè in una serie come Rome in ogni puntata ci sono un paio di scene di sesso molto esplicite, c'è violenza psicologica e fisica di ogni genere... ma una ragazzina che si sposa (obbligata, eh) a 15 anni non va bene, deve sembrare per forza più grande? Boh
L'ho già detto in precedenza e lo ribadisco ora, è una cosa assolutamente normale e plausibile. Sono quei piccoli compromessi televisivi che vanno presi di tanto in tanto e che non fanno particolari danni. Io stesso immaginando i personaggi di ASOIAF li ho sempre pensati come un po' più grandi di quanto siano e anche Martin ha detto in passato che se riscrivesse ora l'opera, alzerebbe un po' le età.
« I met a traveller from an antique land
Who said: Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. Near them on the sand,
Half sunk, a shatter'd visage lies, whose frown
And wrinkled lip and sneer of cold command
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamp'd on these lifeless things,
The hand that mock'd them and the heart that fed.
And on the pedestal these words appear:
"My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!"
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare,
The lone and level sands stretch far away. »
1) l'episodio che sta scrivendo Martin (l'otto) riguarda il periodo seguente alla morte di Robert, per cui i vari disordini a corte che portano alla cattura di Eddard e "some cool stuff" riguardo alla barriera. A che cosa pensate si possa riferire?
Non c'è scritto "cool stuff". E' scritto solo "bits", cioè "spezzoni, sequenze" (in linguaggio cinematografico). Quindi non credo si riferisca a nulla di particolare...
Qualche aggiornamento da WIC su ciò che Martin ha detto al Chicago Comic & Entertainment Expo:
Martin admitted the impossibility of including every detail from the 674-page novel.
“You can’t get every word or every line of dialog, or even every character in,” he said. “But 10 hours is a lot of time, so we hope to be able to capture most of it. From what I’ve seen so far, it’s going to be quite faithful to the books.”
“The irony of ‘A Game of Thrones’ and where we are now is, I wrote the books almost in reaction to my years in television,” said Martin, who confirmed that he is writing the eighth episode of “Thrones” first season. “My scripts were always too long, they were always too expensive. I was always having to cut them. There were too many characters, too many matte paintings. ‘We can’t have all these matte paintings, we can’t have this giant battle scene that you’ve written because we can only afford 12 extras.’
“So when I went back to books, I said, ‘I don’t care about any of that any more. I’m going to write a story that’s going to be as gigantic a story as I want. I’m going to have hundreds of characters, gigantic battles, magnificent castles and vistas — all the things I couldn’t do in television, I’m going to do in these books and I hope people like it.’ So now here we are doing it for television. But fortunately it’s David and Dan [David Benioff and D.B. Weiss, the executive producers of the series] who have to figure out all the problems, not me.”
« I met a traveller from an antique land
Who said: Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. Near them on the sand,
Half sunk, a shatter'd visage lies, whose frown
And wrinkled lip and sneer of cold command
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamp'd on these lifeless things,
The hand that mock'd them and the heart that fed.
And on the pedestal these words appear:
"My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!"
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare,
The lone and level sands stretch far away. »
Martin ha detto:
On other fronts, I am writing on DANCE WITH DRAGONS, writing on episode eight of the HBO series, waiting for three more rewrites to come in on FORT FREAK, looking at some spectacular art by John Picacio, and spending my spare time with Varys, Littlefinger, the Old Bear, Jory Cassel, Septa Mordane, Bronn, and some other old friends. Need more hours in the day, please.
La prima speculazione che mi viene in mente è che se sta scrivendo di questi personaggi, significa che gli attori sono già stati scelti. Chiaramente non è una certezza, ma non è assurdo pensare che una sceneggiatura venga meglio scritta se hai l'idea degli attori che interpreteranno lo script. Considerando poi che le riprese iniziano a giugno, oramai qualche annuncio riguardo al casting dovrebbe essere fatto.
Ci sono poi delle foto, che possono avere un significato per quanto riguarda i costumi: Link Link2
C'è poi un link che mostra alcune realizzazioni per gli effetti speciali, tra cui anche qualche foto di GOT: Link
« I met a traveller from an antique land
Who said: Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. Near them on the sand,
Half sunk, a shatter'd visage lies, whose frown
And wrinkled lip and sneer of cold command
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamp'd on these lifeless things,
The hand that mock'd them and the heart that fed.
And on the pedestal these words appear:
"My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!"
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare,
The lone and level sands stretch far away. »
Notizia che c'entra poco, ma pare abbiano cancellato la spada della verità, da quello che ho capito per mancanza di budget................
Ecco, facendo un parallelo non è proprio una gran notizia...............
HBO ha confermato che Tamzin Merchant NON tornerà nel cast della serie. Quindi erano vere tutte le voci riguardanti nuove audizioni per il ruolo di Daenerys. Ancora non si conosce il motivo della sostituzione, ora comunque crescerà a dismisura l'attesa di scoprire chi sceglieranno al suo posto.
:huh:
Ecco le parti dell'intervista a Martin che riguardano la serie TV:
Ryan: Has the interest in a show that won't even be on the air for another year surprised you?Martin: You know, I come from the science-fiction/fantasy subculture and this sort of fan phenomenon is pretty common now. The intensity, sometimes the size of the group varies, but "Beauty and the Beast," where I was a writer and a producer for three years, had an incredibly intense fan base. They had their own conventions, they had fanzines, they would go through our dumpster occasionally. When Linda Hamilton left the show and we had to recast, half of them turned against us viciously. You know, love can quickly turn to hate, so that can make you nervous.
Ryan: That’s so true. But in my years of doing this, the intensity of interest even before a show is made -- interest that I fully admit to having fanned myself -- is pretty unusual. Does that make you look at the show any differently, or is that just how it is?
Martin: Well, I don’t think that we appreciate it any differently. You know, I’ve been in the middle of it for a long time, so it’s a little different for the people coming to the show for the first time. In the initial state, is I just tried to take it for what it was and not get too excited, because I did work out there in Hollywood for 10 years in a couple of shows, I had worked in development for a while, I wrote some pilots, I wrote some feature films, none of which were ever made.
And I very quickly learned that Hollywood would break your heart and you can’t get too excited until it’s definite. And even then you better not get too excited because there are so many things that can go wrong. I sort of failed in that effort [to not get excited] because toward the end, when we were filming the ["Game of Thrones'] pilot, I got very excited, despite my best efforts. And I’m very jazzed now about the whole experience.
Ryan: Did you resist the idea of going back to television, having moved away from that and having had more control over your story in books?
Martin: Well, yes. I was in Hollywood for 10 years. I worked on "Twilight Zone" in the mid-‘80’s and then I worked for three years on "Beauty and the Beast." And there were things about it I loved and there were things about it I hated. But what was very good about those five years was that I was part of [a writing] staff, the writing and producing staff on shows that were actually on the air. I would write a script and we would rewrite it and sometimes there would be fights with the network or the studio or the censors. But in the end the fight would be resolved and then the show would go before the camera and then a couple of weeks later, it would be on the air and millions of people would see it. And that was the process that I sort of got used to.
But the second five years that I was out there, I had reached the point where I was doing pilots. I was doing feature films. I was doing development. I had an overall deal at Columbia, and you know, they call it development hell for a reason. I found myself writing scripts and sometimes working on something for a year or maybe two years and pouring my heart and soul into it, creating good things and then, "No, we’re not going to do that one. No, the other network is doing something similar. Oh, we have another show we like better." So you're paid a great deal of money, but four guys in the room are the only people who ever saw it.
At the end of the time [in Hollywood], I decided I just couldn’t do that anymore. It was just too psychologically frustrating. It’s like, if you wrote these newspaper stories and they paid you for them, but they never printed them, it would drive your crazy. It certainly drove me crazy.
And probably the most frustrating was the pilot that got the closest to being done. I did a show called "Doorways" that was the only one of my pilots that was actually filmed, and everybody loved it. It was for ABC, and it was going to go on the air, they ordered six backup scripts, which was a huge order for backup scripts then. Then there were personnel changes and some executives left and other executives were promoted, and suddenly we weren’t on the air. Suddenly a year and a half dissolved and I had really gotten excited about the idea of having my own show -- after [on other shows] being the lieutenant and the colonel, I was finally going to be the general and command the troops and I wanted to do a great show. And suddenly I was back to square one. And I did a few more pilots and all that, but the failure of "Doorways" to get on the air kind of took the heart out of me.
Books had always been my first love anyway. So at that point I started writing what would eventually be "A Game of Thrones." The irony of "A Game of Thrones" and where we are now is, I wrote the books almost in reaction to my years in television. My scripts were always too long, they were always too expensive. I was always having to cut them. There were too many characters, too many matte paintings. "We can't have all these matte paintings, we can't have this giant battle scene that you've written because we can only afford 12 extras."
So when I went back to books, I said, "I don't care about any of that any more. I'm going to write a story that's going to be as gigantic a story as I want. I'm going to have hundreds of characters, gigantic battles, magnificent castles and vistas -- all the things I couldn't do in television, I'm going to do in these books and I hope people like it." So now here we are doing it for television. But fortunately it's David and Dan [David Benioff and D.B. Weiss, the executive producers of the series] who have to figure out all the problems, not me.
Ryan: How closely involved are you in the making of the show? I know you’re writing the eighth script, is that correct?
Martin: My deal calls for me to write one script this season. It's script eight this year and next year, I’ll do another one if we get another season. I really can’t do more than that because I still have the [next 'A Song of Ice and Fire'] books to write. The books take an enormous amount of time. There’s a part of me that would love to be more involved than I am involved, attending the meetings and all that, but I can’t. Even if they wanted me, which I’m not sure they would, but I can’t. So my level of involvement is great. I have a great communication with David and Dan and with the people at HBO and I certainly feel like I’m part of the process, but they’re the showrunners and the buck stops with them, not with me.
Ryan: Is it hard not to not be the general in this campaign, if you will?
Martin: It hasn’t been hard so far, it’s been great. I guess it potentially it might be, if they made some decision that I hated or something like that, but so far they haven’t. I mean, everything they’re deciding, I can understand the reason for [the decisions they make] and I think they’re handling it well. And I think the fact that I was in television for 10 years helped me understand that.
Some book authors when dealing with Hollywood, if they’ve never worked out there, they don’t know what goes into these decisions. They don’t know why [certain things happen] and it seems arbitrary to them, but I kind of understand things like budgets and shooting schedules and the stuff that I dealt with, so I think it gives me a more realistic appreciation of the process.
Ryan: Is 10 episodes enough to tell that first book’s story? Do things have to be cut, and are you OK with the direction they’ve taken it in?
Martin: We haven’t seen it yet, but I think 10 episodes should be enough to do it, yes. You know, at some point early on there was some talk of [possibly doing] 12 hours. But the 10 will go for a faster pace.
More is not always better. Back in the early '90’s, when we did "Doorways," ABC ordered it as a 90-minute pilot, so we shot a 90-minute pilot for them even though it would be an hourlong show [week to week]. But then we were told that the European markets didn’t use the 90 minute slot. So we had to produce a two-hour version for the European markets. And the two-hour version is actually what got released on video around the world. They didn’t give us any more money for the two-hour version, so what we had to do was take the 90-minute version, which was pretty tight and taut, and [to stretch it] we had to use every foot of film that we shot. So the version that was finally released around the world when they just tossed that out on video was a very flabby version, because it was longer but it wasn’t longer in a good way. So I think 10 hours should be great.
Ryan: In terms of making "The Game of Thrones," was your attitude kind of "HBO or bust"? Was it a situation where you would not have gone to a broadcast network, or you just trusted this particular team and this network?
Martin: Well I certainly trusted the team when I met them. You know, years ago when the books started hitting the New York Times Best Seller List we started getting interest from Hollywood. Initially it was from feature people because Time had called me the American Tolkien and then Peter Jackson's ["Lord of the Rings"] movies had made so much money.
So people came sniffing around my books to see whether they would work [as a film]. And we got a number of inquiries and basically, I told my agents, no. Because I didn’t see how they could possibly be done as a feature film. I mean, I was talking seven gigantic books by that point -- "The Storm of Swords," which is the longest book in the series so far, is itself bigger than the entirety of Tolkien’s ["Lord of the Rings"] trilogy. All three of his books combined are about the length of "The Storm of Swords." And it took three movies to for Peter Jackson to do [that trilogy of books]. Well, no one was going to commit to three movies for me [and] to do the whole series, they would have to commit to 27 movies. So I knew that they couldn’t do it as a feature film. The only way would be is if some studio wanted to commit to nine feature films and that wasn’t going to happen.
So then the other option was television. Well, of course, I worked with television. I knew that the limitations of budgets and the censorship limitations. I know it’s loosened up some since I was active in the ‘80’s and ‘90’s, but I can still remember the fights with Standards and Practices and censors about the sex and violence. And the books are full of sex and violence. I didn’t want some watered-down, bowdlerized version of this. And also then, the networks with their attention to ratings, -- you go on the air, you get three episodes and the cancel with you if you don’t break out of the gate strong.
So it seemed to me, even years ago, that the only way to do this was HBO, or a similar network, but HBO was the Tiffany’s, the Cadillac of the cable networks, as far as I’m concerned. And they had done shows like "Deadwood" and "Rome" and "The Sopranos" and that was the kind of thing I saw this as.
L'intera intervista qui: Link
« I met a traveller from an antique land
Who said: Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. Near them on the sand,
Half sunk, a shatter'd visage lies, whose frown
And wrinkled lip and sneer of cold command
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamp'd on these lifeless things,
The hand that mock'd them and the heart that fed.
And on the pedestal these words appear:
"My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!"
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare,
The lone and level sands stretch far away. »
HBO ha confermato che Tamzin Merchant NON tornerà nel cast della serie. Quindi erano vere tutte le voci riguardanti nuove audizioni per il ruolo di Daenerys. Ancora non si conosce il motivo della sostituzione, ora comunque crescerà a dismisura l'attesa di scoprire chi sceglieranno al suo posto.
:huh:
Ma non era già stata identificata una tizia dai capelli rossi, qualche post più su? Che mi sono perso?
Comunque a me Tamzin Merchant non aveva mai convinto come Daenerys e nemmeno l'attrice che fa Sansa.
Molto bella e interessante l'intervista. Grazie, Sharingan.
Notizia che c'entra poco, ma pare abbiano cancellato la spada della verità, da quello che ho capito per mancanza di budget................
Ecco, facendo un parallelo non è proprio una gran notizia...............
Io ne ho visto le prime puntate e poi ho smesso perchè mi sembrava un po' ridicola...
Notizia che c'entra poco, ma pare abbiano cancellato la spada della verità, da quello che ho capito per mancanza di budget................
Ecco, facendo un parallelo non è proprio una gran notizia...............
Io ne ho visto le prime puntate e poi ho smesso perchè mi sembrava un po' ridicola...
Le prime in effetti erano ridicole, ma la seconda stagione l'ho trovata carina, nn è niente di che, ma nn è male.
OT: A proposito della tua firma, ma nn avevano preso un altro x fare Jon Snow? Cmq complimenti, quello lì nn sembra affatto male :huh:
OT 2: Ma tutte quelle firme che avete sui comitati che sono? Fanno sbellicare :wub:
Torno dopo un po (tanto) silenzio, ho pensato poco alle Cronache e ora leggo che per la serie hanno scelto anche gli attori!
Dato che la discussione è decisamente lunga, qualcuno mi può indicare a che pagina sono pubblicate le foto del cast? Oppure mi può dare un sito dove vederle?
Grazie
Rally-HO :huh:
Ecco una pagina con tutto il cast finora, eccetto Dany che è stata ricastata e non sappiamo ancora chi è.
Qui invece c'è link in cui si mostrano gli attori scelti photoshoppati per dare un idea di come appariranno. Ovviamente ora le foto di Dany non sono aggiornate .
Ecco una pagina con tutto il cast finora, eccetto Dany che è stata ricastata e non sappiamo ancora chi è.
Qui invece c'è link in cui si mostrano gli attori scelti photoshoppati per dare un idea di come appariranno. Ovviamente ora le foto di Dany non sono aggiornate .
Grazie Millemila!!! :huh: :wub: ^_^
Il primo link è buonissimo per farsi un idea (dando una rapida scorsa alcuni sono proprio azzeccati)
Il secondo non ha immagini, ma quando provo ad aprire i link mi manda ad un forum russo...
PS: Ma si trova il pilota da qualche parte?
Rally-HO :D
Io ne ho visto le prime puntate e poi ho smesso perchè mi sembrava un po' ridicola...
È una specie di nuovo Hercules, nè più nè meno. Ma, d'altronde, il libro da cui trae ispirazione non è che sia un capolavoro. Anzi.
Io sto vedendo la Merchant nella nuova stagione dei Tudor (dove praticamente è la protagonista), e forse forse è un bene che non ci sia più. Il personaggio che le fanno interpretare è quello dell'oca giuliva, senza alcuno spessore finora (è un risolino continuo e irritante). Magari non è colpa sua ma degli scrittori, ma non sono riuscito a intravedere alcuna espressione o atteggiamento che potesse andare bene anche per Daenerys.
