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dangerous women è completo, si attende una data di pubblicazione.

il racconto di martin si intitola "THE PRINCESS AND THE QUEEN"

occhio che non sarà il quarto racconto di dunk and egg bensì...

and mine own contribution... well, it's some of that fake history I have been writing lo these many months, the true (mostly) story of the origins of the Dance of the Dragons. (cit.)

No pubdate yet, of course... this bulletin is hot off the press... but as soon as we get word from Tor, you guys will be the first to know. (cit.)

So here's a surprise: the next Dunk and Egg tale will not be part of George R. R. Martin's upcoming Dangerous Women cross-genre anthology, as long anticipated. Instead, the anthology will feature an original novella called "The Princess and the Queen," which GRRM says tells "the true (mostly) story of the origins of the Dance of the Dragons." "The Princess and the Queen"-- along with twenty other cross-genre short stories from various celebrated authors-- has now been delivered to his editors at Tor. While no publication date has been set yet for Dangerous Women, we can probably expect it before the fourth Dunk and Egg tale (re: the She-Wolves of Winterfell), which is suddenly without an announced publication. (da tower of the hand)

Scusate la banalità del commento, ma gli fa così schifo continuare a scrivere le cronache?

Quindi si tratta di una novella sulla Danza dei Draghi e non di Dunk&Egg. Mi chiedo chi siano le protagoniste del titolo.... forse Rhaenyra Targaryen (princess) e la seconda moglie Hightower di Viserys I (queen)?

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Aggiungo arbitrariamente un livello di spoiler 'NO SPOILER' perchè probabilmente si parlerà di più opere...per quanto improbabile qualcuno può aver letto solo le cronache o solo le novelle. Mi raccomando, taggare TUTTO.

Posso comprendere l'ispirazione di Martin ma....George, quando diavolo ti decidi a finire ASOIAF?

Io, personalmente, avrei dato la precedenza alle Cronache, visto il loro grande successo e i poveri/e disperati/e che aspettano con impazienza il seguito ( come me " /> )

Concordo con Carol, non ne posso più

Ecco un estratto:

 

THE PRINCESS AND THE QUEEN,OR,THE BLACKS AND THE GREENS

Being A History of the Causes, Origins, Battles, and Betrayalsof that Most Tragic Bloodletting Known as the Dance of the Dragons,as set down by Archmaester Gyldayn of the Citadel of Oldtown

((here transcribed by GEORGE R.R. MARTIN))

The Dance of the Dragons is the flowery name bestowed upon the savage internecine struggle for the Iron Throne of Westeros fought between two rival branches of House Targaryen during the years 129 to 131 AC. To characterize the dark, turbulent, bloody doings of this period as a “dance” strikes us as grotesquely inappropriate. No doubt the phrase originated with some singer. “The Dying of the Dragons” would be altogether more fitting, but tradition and time have burned the more poetic usage into the pages of history, so we must dance along with the rest.

There were two principal claimants to the Iron Throne upon the death of King Viserys I Targaryen: his daughter Rhaenyra, the only surviving child of his first marriage, and Aegon, his eldest son by his second wife. Amidst the chaos and carnage brought on by their rivalry, other would-be kings would stake claims as well, strutting about like mummers on a stage for a fortnight or a moon’s turn, only to fall as swiftly as they had arisen.

The Dance split the Seven Kingdoms in two, as lords, knights, and smallfolk declared for one side or the other and took up arms against each other. Even House Targaryen itself became divided, when the kith, kin, and children of each of the claimants became embroiled in the fighting. Over the two years of struggle, a terrible toll was taken of the great lords of Westeros, together with their bannermen, knights, and smallfolk. Whilst the dynasty survived, the end of the fighting saw Targaryen power much diminished, and the world’s last dragons vastly reduced in number.

The Dance was a war unlike any other ever fought in the long history of the Seven Kingdoms. Though armies marched and met in savage battle, much of the slaughter took place on water, and... especially... in the air, as dragon fought dragon with tooth and claw and flame. It was a war marked by stealth, murder, and betrayal as well, a war fought in shadows and stairwells, council chambers and castle yards with knives and lies and poison.

Long simmering, the conflict burst into the open on the third day of third moon of 129 AC, when the ailing, bedridden King Viserys I Targaryen closed his eyes for a nap in the Red Keep of King’s Landing, and died without waking. His body was discovered by a serving man at the hour of the bat, when it was the king’s custom to take a cup of hippocras. The servant ran to inform Queen Alicent, whose apartments were on the floor below the king’s.

The manservant delivered his dire tidings directly to the queen, and her alone, without raising a general alarum; the king’s death had been anticipated for some time, and Queen Alicent and her party, the so-called greens,* had taken care to instruct all of Viserys’s guards and servants in what to do when the day came.

*In 111 AC, a great tourney was held at King’s Landing on the fifth anniversary of the king’s marriage to Queen Alicent. At the opening feast, the queen wore a green gown, whilst the princess dressed dramatically in Targaryen red and black. Note was taken, and thereafter it became the custom to refer to “greens” and “blacks” when talking of the queen’s party and the party of the princess, respectively. In the tourney itself, the blacks had much the better of it when Ser Criston Cole, wearing Princess Rhaenyra’s favor, unhorsed all of the queen’s champions, including two of her cousins and her youngest brother, Ser Gwayne Hightower.

Queen Alicent went at once to the king’s bedchamber, accompanied by Ser Criston Cole, Lord Commander of the Kingsguard. Once they had confirmed that Viserys was dead, Her Grace ordered his room sealed and placed under guard. The serving man who had found the king’s body was taken into custody, to make certain he did not spread the tale. Ser Criston returned to White Sword Tower and sent his brothers of the Kingsguard to summon the members of the king’s small council. It was the hour of the owl.

Then as now, the Sworn Brotherhood of the Kingsguard consisted of seven knights, men of proven loyalty and undoubted prowess who had taken solemn oaths to devote their lives to defending the king’s person and kin. Only five of the white cloaks were in King’s Landing at the time of Viserys’s death; Ser Criston himself, Ser Arryk Cargyll, Ser Rickard Thorne, Ser Steffon Darklyn, and Ser Willis Fell. Ser Erryk Cargyll (twin to Ser Arryk) and Ser Lorent Marbrand, with Princess Rhaenyra on Dragonstone, remained unaware and uninvolved as their brothers-in-arms went forth into the night to rouse the members of the small council from their beds.

Gathering in the queen’s chambers as the body of her lord husband grew cold above were Queen Alicent herself; her father Ser Otto Hightower, Hand of the King; Ser Criston Cole, Lord Commander of the Kingsguard; Grand Maester Orwyle; Lord Lyman Beesbury, master of coin, a man of eighty; Ser Tyland Lannister, master of ships, brother to the Lord of Casterly Rock; Larys Strong, called Larys Clubfoot, Lord of Harrenhal, master of whisperers; and Lord Jasper Wylde, called Ironrod, master of laws.

Grand Maester Orwyle opened the meeting by reviewing the customary tasks and procedures required at the death of a king. He said, “Septon Eustace should be summoned to perform the last rites and pray for the king’s soul. A raven must needs be sent to Dragonstone at once to inform Princess Rhaenyra of her father’s passing. Mayhaps Her Grace the queen would care to write the message, so as to soften these sad tidings with some words of condolence? The bells are always rung to announce the death of a king, someone should see to that, and of course we must begin to make our preparations for Queen Rhaenyra’s coronation—”

Ser Otto Hightower cut him off. “All this must needs wait,” he declared, “until the question of succession is settled.” As the King’s Hand, he was empowered to speak with the king’s voice, even to sit the Iron Throne in the king’s absence. Viserys had granted him the authority to rule over the Seven Kingdoms, and “until such time as our new king is crowned,” that rule would continue.

“Until our new queen is crowned,” Lord Beesbury said, in a waspish tone.

“King,” insisted Queen Alicent. “The Iron Throne by rights must pass to His Grace’s eldest trueborn son.”

The discussion that followed lasted nigh unto dawn. Lord Beesbury spoke on behalf of Princess Rhaenyra. The ancient master of coin, who had served King Viserys for his entire reign, and his father Jaehaerys the Old King before him, reminded the council that Rhaenyra was older than her brothers and had more Targaryen blood, that the late king had chosen her as his successor, that he had repeatedly refused to alter the succession despite the pleadings of Queen Alicent and her greens, that hundreds of lords and landed knights had done obesience to the princess in 105 AC, and sworn solemn oaths to defend her rights.

But these words fell on ears made of stone.

 

Sembra davvero interessante "> . La Regina Alicent sembra una discreta oronza.

forse spera che ASOIAF diventi un opera postuma........

Poveretto, sono 22 anni che scrive solo della Canzone, una piccola variazione sempre in tema Westeros ci sta. E poi è un buon segno, se per questa antologia ha scritto qualcosa sul mondo delle cronache invece che una delle sue cose fantascientifiche tipo Wild Cards vuol dire che ancora un minimo di interesse ce l'ha. Certo, se al posto di 100 pagine di novella ne avesse scritte 50 di TWOW sarei stato ben più felice, ma a cavallo donato non si guarda in bocca...

Se tutto va bene, dopo questo racconto Martin non dovrebbe avere altri progetti all'infuori delle Cronache, quando gli hanno chiesto se aveva intenzione di scrivere dei prequel ha detto che prima vuole finire TWOW e ADOS... speriamo si sbrighi...

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Sì, ma il topic si chiama "The princess and the queen", non "Lamentazioni generali sullo stato di lavoro di TWOW", anche perchè per quello c'è già un topic apposito.

Tornando in tema, per quel poco che ho letto, l'interessante è che viene posta attenzione sul fatto che questa guerra ha indebolito pesantemente la dinastia Targaryen, cosa che mi rimanda all'idea che la caduta dei draghi sia stato un prodotto di lungo corso sotto la regia di qualcuno (i Maestri?).

Assolutamente i Maestri.

La Danza dei Draghi è stato il colpo di grazia al retaggio Valyriano dei Targaryen.

Similmente era accaduta agli Stark, secoli prima, con la resa di Thorren ai Targaryen, e da lì l'inizio del loro "ingentilimento", il lento declino da veri Re del Nord a semplici Vassalli, il progressivo sgretolamento del loro legame con i Figli della Foresta e la loro Magia (legata al sangue, anche quella, checchè se ne dica...)

Nel dualismo ciclico/magico tra Ghiaccio (Primi Uomini/Figli della foresta - Stark) e Fuoco (Valyria/Draghi - Targaryen), l'arrivo degli Andali ha rappresentato, in un certo qual modo, una forma di "progresso" (inteso letteralmente), con i Maestri ad incarnare quanto di più vicino ci sia alla nostra "Comunità Scientifica".

Che i Maestri abbiano avversato e combattutto sin dall'inizio ogni forma di Magia è un fatto acclarato. E che ci siano riusciti, anche.

Fino all'inizio della nostre amate Cronache... su cui una nuova Danza incombe, e non solo di Draghi, aggiungo...

A me sembra che il tracollo i Targaryen ce lo avessero proprio in quel DNA gelosalemente custodito: frequenti casi di pazzia in famiglia, endogamia e poligamia che moltiplicano inevitabilmente i pretendenti alla successione, boriosità e brama di potere endemiche... il loro regno è sempre stato molto turbolento e non solo a causa della normalmente turbolenta aristocrazia feudale...

Il paragone con gli Stark non credo che ci stia: gli Stark da un pezzo erano perfettamente inseriti nel "concerto continentale" (molto di più degli Uomini di Ferro, per dire) e la sottomissione ad Aegon ha cambiato molto poco le cose (certo, non si sono più potuti permettere di stuprarsi liberamente tutte le contadine...).

Son d'accordo che i maestri abbiano avuto un ruolo centrale nella caduta dei draghi.Nel caso specifico (la danza dei Draghi) però c'è da considerare il coinvolgimento di Criston Cole "il creatore di re".Sappiamo che fu lui a incoronare Aegon e a scatenare la rivolta di Rhaenyra,ma perché?Era manovrato dai maestri?Aveva davvero avuto una relazione finita male con la principessa del drago?Oppure era spinto da ambizioni personali?