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Inviato il 07 febbraio 2014 18:55 Autore

Altra voce complessa, anche più della Guerra dei Cinque Re.

 

In questo caso credo che ne sappiamo pure troppo della Ribellione, quindi il difficile mi sa che è sfrondare quello che non è in AGOT.

 

Proporrei una prima fase di lavoro in cui ci diciamo le tappe fondamentali della ribellione, e soprattutto i momento di apertura e chiusura dell'evento.

Che dite?


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The best fantasy is written in the language of dreams. It is alive as dreams are alive, more real than real... for a moment at least... that long magic moment before we wake.
Fantasy is silver and scarlet, indigo and azure, obsidian veined with gold and lapis lazuli. Reality is plywood and plastic, done up in mud brown and olive drab.
Fantasy tastes of habaneros and honey, cinnamon and cloves, rare red meat and wines as sweet as summer. Reality is beans and tofu, and ashes at the end.
Reality is the strip malls of Burbank, the smokestacks of Cleveland, a parking garage in Newark. Fantasy is the towers of Minas Tirith, the ancient stones of Gormenghast, the halls of Camelot.
Fantasy flies on the wings of Icarus, reality on Southwest Airlines.
Why do our dreams become so much smaller when they finally come true?
We read fantasy to find the colors again, I think. To taste strong spices and hear the songs the sirens sang. There is something old and true in fantasy that speaks to something deep within us, to the child who dreamt that one day he would hunt the forests of the night, and feast beneath the hollow hills, and find a love to last forever somewhere south of Oz and north of Shangri-La.
They can keep their heaven. When I die, I'd sooner go to Middle-earth.

 

[George R. R. Martin]

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Inviato il 08 febbraio 2014 16:58

io non ho capito se la ribellione e iniziata con il rapimento di Lyanna


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Inviato il 08 febbraio 2014 17:37

Allora le parti più importanti della ribellione sono :

-Il rapimento di Lyanna

-La morte di Brandon e suo padre sotto ordine del re folle

-I matrimoni combinati tra Jon Arryn e Lysa Tully e Eddard Stark e Catelyn Tully



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Inviato il 11 febbraio 2014 11:26 Autore

Quelle sono da intendere come cause, naturalmente.

Quindi: si sa che Rhaegar repisce Lyanna. Si sa poi ché Aerys uccide Rickard e Brandon Stark e che chiede la testa di Robert Baratheon ed Eddard Stark. Si sa che piuttosto che cedere a questa richiesta Jon Arryn inizia la guerra, portando nell'alleanza anche i Tully attraverso il doppio matrimonio delle figlie di Hoster.

 

A livello di eventi militari viene fatto naturalmente riferimento alla Battaglia del Tridente, all'episodio di Torre della Gioia e al sacco di Approdo del Re. Sbaglio o in un rapido passaggio su Stannis viene nominato anche l'assedio di Capo Tempesta, sia pure sbrigativamente?

C'è altro che ora mi sfugge, in AGOT?

Possiamo, in base alle informazioni di AGOT, iniziare a ordinare cronologicamente gli eventi?

 

Quanto infine alle forze in campo, la posizione di Arryn, Stark, Tully, Targaryen, Baratheon e Lannister è chiara fin dall'inizio. Vengono nominati Martell e Tyrell?


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The best fantasy is written in the language of dreams. It is alive as dreams are alive, more real than real... for a moment at least... that long magic moment before we wake.
Fantasy is silver and scarlet, indigo and azure, obsidian veined with gold and lapis lazuli. Reality is plywood and plastic, done up in mud brown and olive drab.
Fantasy tastes of habaneros and honey, cinnamon and cloves, rare red meat and wines as sweet as summer. Reality is beans and tofu, and ashes at the end.
Reality is the strip malls of Burbank, the smokestacks of Cleveland, a parking garage in Newark. Fantasy is the towers of Minas Tirith, the ancient stones of Gormenghast, the halls of Camelot.
Fantasy flies on the wings of Icarus, reality on Southwest Airlines.
Why do our dreams become so much smaller when they finally come true?
We read fantasy to find the colors again, I think. To taste strong spices and hear the songs the sirens sang. There is something old and true in fantasy that speaks to something deep within us, to the child who dreamt that one day he would hunt the forests of the night, and feast beneath the hollow hills, and find a love to last forever somewhere south of Oz and north of Shangri-La.
They can keep their heaven. When I die, I'd sooner go to Middle-earth.

 

[George R. R. Martin]


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Inviato il 14 febbraio 2014 11:58 Autore

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The best fantasy is written in the language of dreams. It is alive as dreams are alive, more real than real... for a moment at least... that long magic moment before we wake.
Fantasy is silver and scarlet, indigo and azure, obsidian veined with gold and lapis lazuli. Reality is plywood and plastic, done up in mud brown and olive drab.
Fantasy tastes of habaneros and honey, cinnamon and cloves, rare red meat and wines as sweet as summer. Reality is beans and tofu, and ashes at the end.
Reality is the strip malls of Burbank, the smokestacks of Cleveland, a parking garage in Newark. Fantasy is the towers of Minas Tirith, the ancient stones of Gormenghast, the halls of Camelot.
Fantasy flies on the wings of Icarus, reality on Southwest Airlines.
Why do our dreams become so much smaller when they finally come true?
We read fantasy to find the colors again, I think. To taste strong spices and hear the songs the sirens sang. There is something old and true in fantasy that speaks to something deep within us, to the child who dreamt that one day he would hunt the forests of the night, and feast beneath the hollow hills, and find a love to last forever somewhere south of Oz and north of Shangri-La.
They can keep their heaven. When I die, I'd sooner go to Middle-earth.

 

[George R. R. Martin]

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Inviato il 14 febbraio 2014 12:07

Consultando lo schedone, ti confermo l'elenco che hai fatto, compresi l'assedio a Capo Tempesta e la partecipazione dei Tyrell; dei Martell invece non mi pare ci sia traccia.



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Inviato il 16 febbraio 2014 15:45 Autore

OK, sempre in base allo schedone ci sono altri passaggi che ho dimenticato?

 

Inoltre potremo iniziare a ordinare cronologicamente gli eventi?

 

Rapimento di Lyanna

Morte di Brandon e Rickard

Aerys chiede la testa di Robert e Eddard

Jon chiama i vessilli di guerra

Matrimonio di Eddard e Jon con Catelyn e Lysa

Battaglia del Tridente e morte di Rhaegar

Sacco di Approdo del Re

Torre della Gioia

 

L'assedio di Capo Tempesta come si pone?

Correzioni/aggiunte nella lista?


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The best fantasy is written in the language of dreams. It is alive as dreams are alive, more real than real... for a moment at least... that long magic moment before we wake.
Fantasy is silver and scarlet, indigo and azure, obsidian veined with gold and lapis lazuli. Reality is plywood and plastic, done up in mud brown and olive drab.
Fantasy tastes of habaneros and honey, cinnamon and cloves, rare red meat and wines as sweet as summer. Reality is beans and tofu, and ashes at the end.
Reality is the strip malls of Burbank, the smokestacks of Cleveland, a parking garage in Newark. Fantasy is the towers of Minas Tirith, the ancient stones of Gormenghast, the halls of Camelot.
Fantasy flies on the wings of Icarus, reality on Southwest Airlines.
Why do our dreams become so much smaller when they finally come true?
We read fantasy to find the colors again, I think. To taste strong spices and hear the songs the sirens sang. There is something old and true in fantasy that speaks to something deep within us, to the child who dreamt that one day he would hunt the forests of the night, and feast beneath the hollow hills, and find a love to last forever somewhere south of Oz and north of Shangri-La.
They can keep their heaven. When I die, I'd sooner go to Middle-earth.

 

[George R. R. Martin]


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Inviato il 18 febbraio 2014 18:10 Autore

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Lord dei Pan di Stelle - Lord Comandante dei Peluche

The best fantasy is written in the language of dreams. It is alive as dreams are alive, more real than real... for a moment at least... that long magic moment before we wake.
Fantasy is silver and scarlet, indigo and azure, obsidian veined with gold and lapis lazuli. Reality is plywood and plastic, done up in mud brown and olive drab.
Fantasy tastes of habaneros and honey, cinnamon and cloves, rare red meat and wines as sweet as summer. Reality is beans and tofu, and ashes at the end.
Reality is the strip malls of Burbank, the smokestacks of Cleveland, a parking garage in Newark. Fantasy is the towers of Minas Tirith, the ancient stones of Gormenghast, the halls of Camelot.
Fantasy flies on the wings of Icarus, reality on Southwest Airlines.
Why do our dreams become so much smaller when they finally come true?
We read fantasy to find the colors again, I think. To taste strong spices and hear the songs the sirens sang. There is something old and true in fantasy that speaks to something deep within us, to the child who dreamt that one day he would hunt the forests of the night, and feast beneath the hollow hills, and find a love to last forever somewhere south of Oz and north of Shangri-La.
They can keep their heaven. When I die, I'd sooner go to Middle-earth.

 

[George R. R. Martin]

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Inviato il 18 febbraio 2014 18:18

Mi pare che l'ordine sia giusto.

 

L'assedio di Capo Tempesta dura circa un anno, e si conclude dopo il sacco di Approdo del Re e prima della Torre della Gioia.

 

Forse aggiungerei alla fine la fuga di Rhaella e Viserys e l'assedio della Roccia del Drago da parte di Stannis.



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Inviato il 23 febbraio 2014 11:01 Autore

Perfetto, direi che quasi quasi si potrebbe partire con il mettere insieme le informazioni.

 

Prima però volevo solo capire come conviene strutturare una pagina del genere.

 

Conviene un capitolo introduttivo sulle cause della ribellione? Uno sulla situazione politica alla vigilia dell'evento? Altro?

 

Inoltre, a vostro parere abbiamo materiale a sufficienza per realizzare delle mappe con l'indicazione degli spostamenti e delle battaglie?


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Lord dei Pan di Stelle - Lord Comandante dei Peluche

The best fantasy is written in the language of dreams. It is alive as dreams are alive, more real than real... for a moment at least... that long magic moment before we wake.
Fantasy is silver and scarlet, indigo and azure, obsidian veined with gold and lapis lazuli. Reality is plywood and plastic, done up in mud brown and olive drab.
Fantasy tastes of habaneros and honey, cinnamon and cloves, rare red meat and wines as sweet as summer. Reality is beans and tofu, and ashes at the end.
Reality is the strip malls of Burbank, the smokestacks of Cleveland, a parking garage in Newark. Fantasy is the towers of Minas Tirith, the ancient stones of Gormenghast, the halls of Camelot.
Fantasy flies on the wings of Icarus, reality on Southwest Airlines.
Why do our dreams become so much smaller when they finally come true?
We read fantasy to find the colors again, I think. To taste strong spices and hear the songs the sirens sang. There is something old and true in fantasy that speaks to something deep within us, to the child who dreamt that one day he would hunt the forests of the night, and feast beneath the hollow hills, and find a love to last forever somewhere south of Oz and north of Shangri-La.
They can keep their heaven. When I die, I'd sooner go to Middle-earth.

 

[George R. R. Martin]


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Inviato il 27 febbraio 2014 12:29 Autore

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Lord dei Pan di Stelle - Lord Comandante dei Peluche

The best fantasy is written in the language of dreams. It is alive as dreams are alive, more real than real... for a moment at least... that long magic moment before we wake.
Fantasy is silver and scarlet, indigo and azure, obsidian veined with gold and lapis lazuli. Reality is plywood and plastic, done up in mud brown and olive drab.
Fantasy tastes of habaneros and honey, cinnamon and cloves, rare red meat and wines as sweet as summer. Reality is beans and tofu, and ashes at the end.
Reality is the strip malls of Burbank, the smokestacks of Cleveland, a parking garage in Newark. Fantasy is the towers of Minas Tirith, the ancient stones of Gormenghast, the halls of Camelot.
Fantasy flies on the wings of Icarus, reality on Southwest Airlines.
Why do our dreams become so much smaller when they finally come true?
We read fantasy to find the colors again, I think. To taste strong spices and hear the songs the sirens sang. There is something old and true in fantasy that speaks to something deep within us, to the child who dreamt that one day he would hunt the forests of the night, and feast beneath the hollow hills, and find a love to last forever somewhere south of Oz and north of Shangri-La.
They can keep their heaven. When I die, I'd sooner go to Middle-earth.

 

[George R. R. Martin]


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Inviato il 27 febbraio 2014 13:06

Per me le cause vanno spiegate sempre, sono importantissime. Ricordo che anche a scuola in storia lo chiedevano tantissimo quando si interrogava qualcuno su una guerra <img alt=" />

 

E' difficile dire se abbiamo materiale sufficiente per una mappa sugli spostamenti, visto che i ricordi sulla Ribellione di Robert sono sparsi in modo disordinato per tutti e 5 i libri <img alt=" />



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Inviato il 03 marzo 2014 21:46 Autore

Allora, provo anche qui a fare una scaletta.

  • Situazione politica all'inizio della guerra (Cosa potremmo dire esattamente in questo passaggio?)
  • Cause della guerra
    • Rapimento di Lyanna
    • Morte di Brandon e Rickard
    • Aerys chiede la testa di Robert e Eddard
    • Jon chiama i vessilli di guerra
    • Matrimonio di Eddard e Jon con Catelyn e Lysa
  • Inizio assedio di Capo Tempesta
  • Battaglia del Tridente e morte di Rhaegar
  • Sacco di Approdo del Re
  • Fine assedio di Capo Tempesta
  • Torre della Gioia (consideriamo parte a tutti gli effetti della Ribellione?)

 

Mi sembra che in AGOT non si dica altro sugli eventi, giusto?


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The best fantasy is written in the language of dreams. It is alive as dreams are alive, more real than real... for a moment at least... that long magic moment before we wake.
Fantasy is silver and scarlet, indigo and azure, obsidian veined with gold and lapis lazuli. Reality is plywood and plastic, done up in mud brown and olive drab.
Fantasy tastes of habaneros and honey, cinnamon and cloves, rare red meat and wines as sweet as summer. Reality is beans and tofu, and ashes at the end.
Reality is the strip malls of Burbank, the smokestacks of Cleveland, a parking garage in Newark. Fantasy is the towers of Minas Tirith, the ancient stones of Gormenghast, the halls of Camelot.
Fantasy flies on the wings of Icarus, reality on Southwest Airlines.
Why do our dreams become so much smaller when they finally come true?
We read fantasy to find the colors again, I think. To taste strong spices and hear the songs the sirens sang. There is something old and true in fantasy that speaks to something deep within us, to the child who dreamt that one day he would hunt the forests of the night, and feast beneath the hollow hills, and find a love to last forever somewhere south of Oz and north of Shangri-La.
They can keep their heaven. When I die, I'd sooner go to Middle-earth.

 

[George R. R. Martin]


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Lord dei Pan di Stelle - Lord Comandante dei Peluche

The best fantasy is written in the language of dreams. It is alive as dreams are alive, more real than real... for a moment at least... that long magic moment before we wake.
Fantasy is silver and scarlet, indigo and azure, obsidian veined with gold and lapis lazuli. Reality is plywood and plastic, done up in mud brown and olive drab.
Fantasy tastes of habaneros and honey, cinnamon and cloves, rare red meat and wines as sweet as summer. Reality is beans and tofu, and ashes at the end.
Reality is the strip malls of Burbank, the smokestacks of Cleveland, a parking garage in Newark. Fantasy is the towers of Minas Tirith, the ancient stones of Gormenghast, the halls of Camelot.
Fantasy flies on the wings of Icarus, reality on Southwest Airlines.
Why do our dreams become so much smaller when they finally come true?
We read fantasy to find the colors again, I think. To taste strong spices and hear the songs the sirens sang. There is something old and true in fantasy that speaks to something deep within us, to the child who dreamt that one day he would hunt the forests of the night, and feast beneath the hollow hills, and find a love to last forever somewhere south of Oz and north of Shangri-La.
They can keep their heaven. When I die, I'd sooner go to Middle-earth.

 

[George R. R. Martin]


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Lord dei Pan di Stelle - Lord Comandante dei Peluche

The best fantasy is written in the language of dreams. It is alive as dreams are alive, more real than real... for a moment at least... that long magic moment before we wake.
Fantasy is silver and scarlet, indigo and azure, obsidian veined with gold and lapis lazuli. Reality is plywood and plastic, done up in mud brown and olive drab.
Fantasy tastes of habaneros and honey, cinnamon and cloves, rare red meat and wines as sweet as summer. Reality is beans and tofu, and ashes at the end.
Reality is the strip malls of Burbank, the smokestacks of Cleveland, a parking garage in Newark. Fantasy is the towers of Minas Tirith, the ancient stones of Gormenghast, the halls of Camelot.
Fantasy flies on the wings of Icarus, reality on Southwest Airlines.
Why do our dreams become so much smaller when they finally come true?
We read fantasy to find the colors again, I think. To taste strong spices and hear the songs the sirens sang. There is something old and true in fantasy that speaks to something deep within us, to the child who dreamt that one day he would hunt the forests of the night, and feast beneath the hollow hills, and find a love to last forever somewhere south of Oz and north of Shangri-La.
They can keep their heaven. When I die, I'd sooner go to Middle-earth.

 

[George R. R. Martin]

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