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Sparsi nei libri ci sono vari collegamenti tra Jon e la regalità, così ho provato a radunarne alcuni.

Ho preso ispirazione per questa discussione da alcuni recenti post di Metamorfo e Ichikyo Kyo.

Scusate le citazioni in inglese ma le ho recuperate dalla versione digitale (che non ho in italiano).

 

AGOT pag 50

"Kings are a rare sight in the north." [...]

"More likely they were hiding under the snow. Snow, Ned!"

La risposta di Robert riguardava le genti del Nord, ma la frase è messa giù in modo piuttosto sibillino.

 

AGOT pag 81

“Bastards are not allowed to damage young princes.”

Jon ad Arya sul perché lui e Joffrey non si possano allenare insieme.

 

...Che va a braccetto con AGOT pag 62

"Don't you usually eat at table with your brothers?"

"Most times" [...] "But tonight Lady Stark thought it might give insult to the royal family to seat a bastard among them."

E Joffrey infatti non mangia vicino a Jon XD

 

ACOK pag 110

"King," croaked the raven [...] "King," it said again, strutting back and forth. "He likes that word," Jon said, smiling. "An easy word to say. An easy word to like." "King," the bird said again.

"I think he means for you to have a crown, my lord. "The realm has three kings already, and that's two too many for my liking," Mormont stroked the raven under the beak with a finger, but all the while his eyes never left Jon Snow.

Qui potrebbe sembrare una parola detta a caso, ma visto che dietro al corvo sta Bloodraven…

(Ed è anche prima del testamento di Robb).

 

Salto ad ADWD per l’altra citazione del corvo pag 881

“Corn,” the bird said, and, “King,” and, “Snow, Jon Snow, Jon Snow.” That was queer. The bird had never said his full name before, as best Jon could recall.

 

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“There would be a second life worthy of a king."

Varamyr parlando di Ghost.

 

ADWD capitolo di Mel

"Show me your king, your instrument." […]

e poco più sotto pensa frustrata

“I pray for a glimpse of Azor Ahai, and R'hllor shows me only Snow.”

 

In ultimo, anche se non è un collegamento diretto ma più un parallelismo

"Allow me to give my lord one last piece of counsel," the old man had said, "the same counsel that I once gave my brother when we parted for the last time. He was three-and-thirty when the Great Council chose him to mount the Iron Throne."

Maestro Aemon dà a Jon lo stesso consiglio dato anni prima al futuro Aegon V.

 

Questi sono quelli che ho trovato. Ne avete altri? Cosa ne pensate?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost;
The old that is strong does not wither,
Deep roots are not reached by the frost.
From the ashes a fire shall be woken,
A light from the shadows shall spring;
Renewed shall be blade that was broken,
The crownless again shall be king.

 

 

Any man who must say ‘I am the king’ is no true king at all. Tywin Lannister

 

 

The War of the Ninepenny Kings? So they called it, though I never saw a king, nor earned a penny. It was war, though. That it was.

 

TWOW

They were dancing. In my dream. And everywhere the dragons danced the people died.

 

 

 

 

Mercy, thought Dany, They shall have the dragon’s mercy

A Son(g) Of Ice and Fire

We swore a vow.

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Ok, ottimo cerchiamo di raccogliere riferimenti!!! Ci sarebbe anche Gilly che si inginocchia davanti a Jon LC e lui risponde che ci si inginocchia solo davanti ai re.

 

Quella di Robert non ho mai capito la necessità di scrivere "Snow" fra due punti, se non per giustificare la maiuscola e quindi il collegamento a Jon.

 

In negativo, nel senso che fa supporre ad un destino del Re della Notte, quando non mi ricordo quale bruto commenta che Jon Snow, o solo Snow, sia un nome di cattivo auspicio o qualcosa del genere...

 

Comunque le cerco e vedo di trascriverle :)


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Jon ADWD

 

"Jon: Monster?
Val: His milk name. I had to call him something. See that he stays safe and warm. And keep him away from the red woman. For his mothers sake, and mine. She knows who he is. She sees things in her fires.
Jon: Ashes and cinders.
Val: Kings and dragons."

 

e Melisandre vede " only Snow".

 

When Gilly entered, she went at once to her knees. Jon came around the table and drew her to her feet. "You don't need to kneel for me. That's just for kings."

 

"Marriages and inheritances are matters for a king, my lady." Jon lo dice a Alys Karstark e poi sappiamo che è stato lui ad organizzare il matrimonio con Sigorn dei Thenn.


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Grazie, mi ero dimenticata di inserire anche quello di Gilly che avevate già citato.

 

Non avevo fatto caso alla frase di Val invece :)


All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost;
The old that is strong does not wither,
Deep roots are not reached by the frost.
From the ashes a fire shall be woken,
A light from the shadows shall spring;
Renewed shall be blade that was broken,
The crownless again shall be king.

 

 

Any man who must say ‘I am the king’ is no true king at all. Tywin Lannister

 

 

The War of the Ninepenny Kings? So they called it, though I never saw a king, nor earned a penny. It was war, though. That it was.

 

TWOW

They were dancing. In my dream. And everywhere the dragons danced the people died.

 

 

 

 

Mercy, thought Dany, They shall have the dragon’s mercy

A Son(g) Of Ice and Fire

We swore a vow.

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In negativo, nel senso che fa supporre ad un destino del Re della Notte, quando non mi ricordo quale bruto commenta che Jon Snow, o solo Snow, sia un nome di cattivo auspicio o qualcosa del genere...

 

 

Lo dice Ygritte durante il primo incontro con Jon:

 

 

"Do you have a name?" "Ygritte." Her hand rubbed at her throat and came away bloody. She stared at the wetness.
Sheathing his dirk, he wrenched Longclaw free from the body of the man he'd killed. "You are my captive, Ygritte."
"I gave you my name."
"I'm Jon Snow."
She flinched. "An evil name."
"A bastard name," he said. "My father was Lord Eddard Stark of Winterfell."
Jon Snow potrebbe davvero essere stato il nome del Re della Notte...

All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost;
The old that is strong does not wither,
Deep roots are not reached by the frost.
From the ashes a fire shall be woken,
A light from the shadows shall spring;
Renewed shall be blade that was broken,
The crownless again shall be king.

 

 

Any man who must say ‘I am the king’ is no true king at all. Tywin Lannister

 

 

The War of the Ninepenny Kings? So they called it, though I never saw a king, nor earned a penny. It was war, though. That it was.

 

TWOW

They were dancing. In my dream. And everywhere the dragons danced the people died.

 

 

 

 

Mercy, thought Dany, They shall have the dragon’s mercy

A Son(g) Of Ice and Fire

We swore a vow.

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Bel thread!

Queste citazioni le ho beccate casualmente oggi, le trovo molto sottili e al contempo geniali:

 

In AGOT in un POV di Arya si parla di Balerion, il vecchio gatto nero della principessa Rhaenys:

 

"that black bastard is the real king of the castle."

 

(questa è la citazione completa: all but this one, this one-eared black devil of a tomcat. “That’s the real king of this castle right there,” one of the gold cloaks had told her. “Older than sin and twice as mean. One time, the king was feasting the queen’s father, and that black bastard hopped up on the table and snatched a roast quail right out of Lord Tywin’s fingers. Robert laughed so hard he like to burst. You stay away from that one, child.”)

 

Mentre in ADWD sempre Arya sente parlare così del nuovo Lord Commander dei Guardiani della Notte:

 

"The Black Bastard of the wall, one man had called him."


We do not Sow

"She would die as she had lived, with an axe in her hand and a laugh upon her lips
"I am Asha of House Greyjoy, aye. Opinions differ on whether I'm a lady."


Sansa - Jaime - Theon

Sacra Triade del C.A.P.C.E.I.C.E. (Comitato Ammiratori Personaggi Complessi Ed In Continua Evoluzione)

TEAM DILF: I know no DILF but the DILF in the North, whose name is ROOSE BOLTON
T.S.J Comitato per la Tutela e Salvaguardia delle Jeyne (D&D e il vostro malefico zampino!)

BOLTON POWER: The North Dismembers

Thramsay and Proud

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“You may dress an ironman in silks and velvets, teach him to read and write and give him books, instruct him in chivalry and courtesy and the mysteries of the Faith,” writes Archmaester Haereg,

“but when you look into his eyes, the sea will still be there,cold and grey and cruel.”

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Grazie dell'aggiunta Anirbas, questa non l'avevo proprio notata!

Balerion il mitico gatto anti Lannister ;)


All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost;
The old that is strong does not wither,
Deep roots are not reached by the frost.
From the ashes a fire shall be woken,
A light from the shadows shall spring;
Renewed shall be blade that was broken,
The crownless again shall be king.

 

 

Any man who must say ‘I am the king’ is no true king at all. Tywin Lannister

 

 

The War of the Ninepenny Kings? So they called it, though I never saw a king, nor earned a penny. It was war, though. That it was.

 

TWOW

They were dancing. In my dream. And everywhere the dragons danced the people died.

 

 

 

 

Mercy, thought Dany, They shall have the dragon’s mercy

A Son(g) Of Ice and Fire

We swore a vow.

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