Però casualmente Varys uccide Pycelle, che fa il medico in buona sostanza
Mi pare difficile che Jaime a distanza di tutti questi anni possa riconoscere da fAegon quello che fu il bimbo in fasce.
Semmai in questo senso l'unico commento interessante è quello che fa Jon Connington sul colore degli occhi di fAegon, che sono molto più chiari rispetto all'indaco di Rhaegar e che per tonalità ma non per colore sono semmai più in linea con quelli di Jon, talmente scuri da sembrare neri, ma viola per l'uno e grigi per l'altro. Sono tra i primi indizi che saltano all'occhio per la RLJ. Oltre al fatto che, se si crede davvero che una donna sia stata rapita e stuprata ripetutamente, non c'è niente di più facile che sia rimasta incinta.
"And now at last it comes. You will give me the Ring freely! In place of the Dark Lord you will set up a Queen. And I shall not be dark, but beautiful and terrible as the Morning and the Night! Fair as the Sea and the Sun and the Snow upon the Mountain! Dreadful as the Storm and the Lightning! Stronger than the foundations of the earth. All shall love me and despair!”
She lifted up her hand and from the ring that she wore there issued a great light that illuminated her alone and left all else dark. She stood before Frodo seeming now tall beyond measurement, and beautiful beyond enduring, terrible and worshipful. Then she let her hand fall, and the light faded, and suddenly she laughed again, and lo! she was shrunken: a slender elf-woman, clad in simple white, whose gentle voice was soft and sad.
“I pass the test”, she said. “I will diminish, and go into the West and remain Galadriel.”
***
"A ruler needs a good head and a true heart," she famously told the king. "A cock is not essential. If your Grace truly believes that women lack the wit to rule, plainly you have no further need of me." And thus Queen Alysanne departed King's Landing and flew to Dragonstone on her dragon Silverwing. [...] The queen died of a wasting illness in 100 AC, at the age of four-and-sixty, still insisting that her granddaughter Rhaenys and her children had been unfairly cheated of their rights. "The boy in the belly," the unborn child who had been the subject of so much debate, proved to be a girl when born in 93 AC. Her mother named her Laena. The next year, Rhaenys gave her a brother Laenor.
Ma Jaime non deve riconoscere Faegon.
Jaime ,morto Pycelle, è l'unico che può dire :
oh guardate che il bimbo morto era davvero Aegon
Varys può sempre dire che lo ha scambiato e non avrebbe ragione nessuno.
"And now at last it comes. You will give me the Ring freely! In place of the Dark Lord you will set up a Queen. And I shall not be dark, but beautiful and terrible as the Morning and the Night! Fair as the Sea and the Sun and the Snow upon the Mountain! Dreadful as the Storm and the Lightning! Stronger than the foundations of the earth. All shall love me and despair!”
She lifted up her hand and from the ring that she wore there issued a great light that illuminated her alone and left all else dark. She stood before Frodo seeming now tall beyond measurement, and beautiful beyond enduring, terrible and worshipful. Then she let her hand fall, and the light faded, and suddenly she laughed again, and lo! she was shrunken: a slender elf-woman, clad in simple white, whose gentle voice was soft and sad.
“I pass the test”, she said. “I will diminish, and go into the West and remain Galadriel.”
***
"A ruler needs a good head and a true heart," she famously told the king. "A cock is not essential. If your Grace truly believes that women lack the wit to rule, plainly you have no further need of me." And thus Queen Alysanne departed King's Landing and flew to Dragonstone on her dragon Silverwing. [...] The queen died of a wasting illness in 100 AC, at the age of four-and-sixty, still insisting that her granddaughter Rhaenys and her children had been unfairly cheated of their rights. "The boy in the belly," the unborn child who had been the subject of so much debate, proved to be a girl when born in 93 AC. Her mother named her Laena. The next year, Rhaenys gave her a brother Laenor.
Si ma Pycelle lo ha ucciso e quello era il medico del palazzo.
Noi sappiamo che il vecchio putrito meritava di morire a prescindere, Ma se Kevan viene ucciso perché buon politico e capo militare, Non si capisce il motivo di uccidere Pycelle, Se il motivo ha a che fare con Aegon, è ragionevole pensare che il motivo in questione sia ancora scopribile grazie a Jaime, uno degli ultimi ad aver visto Elia ed il bambino vivi .
Il 5/6/2020 at 13:54, Zio Frank dice:Però casualmente Varys uccide Pycelle, che fa il medico in buona sostanza
Mi sfugge il nesso...
@Menevyn.ma perché ci sfugge il nesso che chi era li sa che il bambino morto era Aegon, e per questo li ammazzano?
Mah, può essere. Anche se uccidere Pycelle trenta secondi prima che il piano entri nel vivo non mi pare una mossa tanto astuta, da parte di Varys. Avrebbe avuto senso farlo fuori durante i disordini e il caos del sacco di Approdo del Re, o durante il soggiorno nelle Celle Nere gentilmente offertogli da Tyrion. Un vecchio, in quelle celle umide... perfettamente plausibile.
Secondo me lo uccide per isolare ancora di più Cersei, pure Pycelle in quel momento è più stratega di Cersei.
Se fosse veramente per Aegon dovrebbe aver avuto davvero qualche segno particolare di cui però non mi sembra ci sia traccia.
"And now at last it comes. You will give me the Ring freely! In place of the Dark Lord you will set up a Queen. And I shall not be dark, but beautiful and terrible as the Morning and the Night! Fair as the Sea and the Sun and the Snow upon the Mountain! Dreadful as the Storm and the Lightning! Stronger than the foundations of the earth. All shall love me and despair!”
She lifted up her hand and from the ring that she wore there issued a great light that illuminated her alone and left all else dark. She stood before Frodo seeming now tall beyond measurement, and beautiful beyond enduring, terrible and worshipful. Then she let her hand fall, and the light faded, and suddenly she laughed again, and lo! she was shrunken: a slender elf-woman, clad in simple white, whose gentle voice was soft and sad.
“I pass the test”, she said. “I will diminish, and go into the West and remain Galadriel.”
***
"A ruler needs a good head and a true heart," she famously told the king. "A cock is not essential. If your Grace truly believes that women lack the wit to rule, plainly you have no further need of me." And thus Queen Alysanne departed King's Landing and flew to Dragonstone on her dragon Silverwing. [...] The queen died of a wasting illness in 100 AC, at the age of four-and-sixty, still insisting that her granddaughter Rhaenys and her children had been unfairly cheated of their rights. "The boy in the belly," the unborn child who had been the subject of so much debate, proved to be a girl when born in 93 AC. Her mother named her Laena. The next year, Rhaenys gave her a brother Laenor.
Se non ho capito male Zio Frank intende dire che Jaime e Pycelle possono testimoniare che lo scambio non può esserci stato perché nessuno era andato da Elia.
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The measure of a life is a measure of love and respect,
So hard to earn, so easily burned
In the fullness of time,
A garden to nurture and protect
It's a measure of a life
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The way you live, the gifts that you give
In the fullness of time,
It's the only return that you expect
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Come se un personaggio come Pycelle potesse avere qualche credibilità... anche secondo me è come dice @***Silk***
E' sempre un dispiacere che quando tutti i lupi dovrebbero sollevarsi, un posto possa rimanere vuoto.
A man might befriend a wolf, even break a wolf, but no man could truly tame a wolf.
When the snows fall and the white winds blow,
the lone wolf dies, but the pack survives
Stark è grigio e Greyjoy è nero
Ma sembra che il vento sia in entrambi
Anche perché Varys in teoria conosceva la maniera per effettuare lo scambio senza che altri se ne accorgessero.
Vogliamo una società socialista che corrisponda alle condizioni del nostro paese, che rispetti tutte le libertà sancite dalla Costituzione, che sia fondata su una pluralità di partiti, sul concorso di diverse forze sociali. Una società che rispetti tutte le libertà, meno una: quella di sfruttare il lavoro di altri esseri umani, perché questa libertà tutte le altre distrugge e rende vane.
Enrico Berlinguer
What is honor compared to a woman's love? What is duty against the feel of a newborn son in your arms… or the memory of a brother's smile? Wind and words. Wind and words. We are only human, and the gods have fashioned us for love. That is our great glory, and our great tragedy.
George R. R. Martin (A Game of Thrones)
The measure of a life is a measure of love and respect,
So hard to earn, so easily burned
In the fullness of time,
A garden to nurture and protect
It's a measure of a life
The treasure of a life is a measure of love and respect,
The way you live, the gifts that you give
In the fullness of time,
It's the only return that you expect
Neil Peart (The Garden)
Ernest Hemingway once wrote, ‘The world is a fine place, and worth fighting for.’ I agree with the second part.
Andrew Kevin Walker (Seven)
In this game that we’re playing, we can’t win. Some kinds of failure are better than other kinds, that’s all.
George Orwell (Nineteen Eighty-Four)
7 minutes fa, Jacaerys Velaryon dice:Anche perché Varys in teoria conosceva la maniera per effettuare lo scambio senza che altri se ne accorgessero.
Però appunto... inoltre non sappiamo quanto tempo prima sia avvenuto. C'è addirittura chi ipotizza che il piccolo Aegon sia stato scambiato col figlio di Ashara Dayne.
E' sempre un dispiacere che quando tutti i lupi dovrebbero sollevarsi, un posto possa rimanere vuoto.
A man might befriend a wolf, even break a wolf, but no man could truly tame a wolf.
When the snows fall and the white winds blow,
the lone wolf dies, but the pack survives
Stark è grigio e Greyjoy è nero
Ma sembra che il vento sia in entrambi
Esatto. Varys può averlo scambiato in qualsiasi momento, mica il giorno in cui aprono le porte ai Lannister.
"And now at last it comes. You will give me the Ring freely! In place of the Dark Lord you will set up a Queen. And I shall not be dark, but beautiful and terrible as the Morning and the Night! Fair as the Sea and the Sun and the Snow upon the Mountain! Dreadful as the Storm and the Lightning! Stronger than the foundations of the earth. All shall love me and despair!”
She lifted up her hand and from the ring that she wore there issued a great light that illuminated her alone and left all else dark. She stood before Frodo seeming now tall beyond measurement, and beautiful beyond enduring, terrible and worshipful. Then she let her hand fall, and the light faded, and suddenly she laughed again, and lo! she was shrunken: a slender elf-woman, clad in simple white, whose gentle voice was soft and sad.
“I pass the test”, she said. “I will diminish, and go into the West and remain Galadriel.”
***
"A ruler needs a good head and a true heart," she famously told the king. "A cock is not essential. If your Grace truly believes that women lack the wit to rule, plainly you have no further need of me." And thus Queen Alysanne departed King's Landing and flew to Dragonstone on her dragon Silverwing. [...] The queen died of a wasting illness in 100 AC, at the age of four-and-sixty, still insisting that her granddaughter Rhaenys and her children had been unfairly cheated of their rights. "The boy in the belly," the unborn child who had been the subject of so much debate, proved to be a girl when born in 93 AC. Her mother named her Laena. The next year, Rhaenys gave her a brother Laenor.
